Words Negate Reality: At Silence Point

Below is U.G. Krishnamurti’s last talk recorded a few weeks before his death.  I have never read this before, but it resonates because much of it (not all) I have come to recognise from own experience. Since it had been expressed already, I saw no need to rephrase.

Krishnamurti was a much misunderstood man. He wouldn’t play the Game.

There should be no word ‘enlightenment’ because the word promises what is wrongly perceived by humans as the epitome of human experience. Not so.

There should be no words’ truth realisation’, because there is no Truth, just as there is no Ego or Maya. Does a dog know Maya? Ego? Does a dog know Truth? A dog will bite you if you step on its tail and hurt it. That would be the highest expression of the dog’s ego (a will to survive) and the dog’s truth, but the dog wouldn’t even know that. It lives in Reality, not in the head, and dies by Reality.

Oh…. you think you are not a dog? The cortex processes thoughts and ideas, the pre-frontal lobe makes decisions, but the brainstem is just as primitive as that of any animal, instinct driven and lacking rationality. How do humans make most of their everyday decisions? From intelligent conscious awareness or from hormones pumping in their veins and feeding into the endless thought/emotion loop?

Reality is the only truth. Remember Latin? Veritas?

Words ABOUT Truth – negate Reality. They act like a mental screen that blocks the Vision.

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UG 2 “What I have found of and by myself runs counter to everything anyone has said in any field of human thought.   They have misled themselves and misguided everybody. You still fall for all that because if, for instance, you were to change your diet you would die of starvation.  But I want to live forever!  Can you keep me alive and healthy, the way I have lived for ninety years of my life? No? But that’s all that interests me!

When once it throws out everything that has been put in there by your filthy culture, this body will function in an extraordinarily intelligent way. It can take care of everything.

If at any time I accept anything, it is not what the religious people have told me about the way the body functions, but what the medical doctors have found. Yet, what they do not know is immense; and they will never know how this body functions.

I have never taken any medicine nor have I ever seen a doctor. All the doctors who have advised me not to live the kind of life I had been living are now dead and gone. There is one exception – once, I had typhoid fever when I lived in Madras. My wife’s brother was a top doctor in the General Hospital in Madras. The British had a wing in the hospital for themselves and nobody else was allowed to stay in the rooms in that wing. That year, however, they opened the wing to the general public. So my brother-in-law got me one room in it and another for my family members.  In that room my wife and grandmother stayed. Three nurses took care of me taking turns every eight hours for a whole month, after which I walked out.

Although I assert that all doctors should be shot, I don’t advise others not to see a doctor. I don’t know what I will do if I am in a situation where I want to prolong my life a little longer.  So I would never tell others not to see a doctor.

I brushed aside everything born out of human thought. Everything they told me falsified me. And what you are trying to get you can never get, because there is nothing to get.

What you are is a belief; if you let one belief go, you must replace it with another; otherwise, you will drop dead. I am telling you, a clinical death will occur. It is not the near death experience of those ‘near death’ scoundrels.

So you better go and make money and enjoy the fruits thereof.

All those filthy religious people are fooling themselves and fooling everybody, living on the gullibility and credulity of people, making an easy living, selling shoddy pieces of goods and promising you some goodies that they can never deliver. But you want to believe all that nonsense.  It’s a reflection on your intelligence that you fall for all that crap to which you are exposed.

Nobody has given me the mandate to save you people or save the world.  The human species should be wiped out for what it has done to every other species on this planet!  It has no place on this planet.  If I am sure of one thing, it is that. If it were not for your destructive weapons, you would have been wiped out a long time ago. And you are going to be wiped out, because now others have the means to wipe you out.  But you are not going to go gracefully without taking every form of life on this planet with you.

With minimum means you can wipe out the maximum power.

The body knows what it needs to do to survive. If it does not have the means to survive, it goes gracefully. The only reason for this organism to exist is to give continuity to the human species. Sex is only for reproduction, but you have turned that into a pleasure movement. What else is sex for than reproduction? 

The human kind appeared on this planet and it thinks all this has been created for its use. You think you were created for a grander and nobler purpose. The human being is a more despicable thing than all the other forms of life on this planet.

You are just an animal, but you are not ready to accept that. You are not more intelligent than the other animals.

The native intelligence of the human body is amazing. That is all it needs to survive in any dangerous situation in life.

The native intelligence is what you are born with; the intellect is acquired from what they teach you.  So, you don’t have any words or phrases, or even experiences, which you can call your own.  You have to use that knowledge that has been put in there in order to experience anything.

There is nothing to your love: if you don’t get what you want, what happens to your, ‘I love you darling, dearie, honey bunch, shnookie putsie, sugar britches, petite shu-shu, sugar booger?’  If you don’t get what you want out of all that, what happens to your lovey-dovey?

The only test for me is money. How free you are with your money? I don’t mean, “How wasteful you are with your money?”

I have nothing to lose if the whole thing is wiped out. I have nothing to gain if it remains the same.

The only relationship you have with anybody in this world is “What do I get out of it?”  That’s all you care about. Other than that, there is nothing to it!

You all fool yourselves thinking that you are going to get something by hanging around me… ho ho ho! You’re not going to get a thing because there is no need to get anything from anybody.

You can’t fit me into any religious frame. I don’t need to fool people and thrive on their gullibility and credulity.  Why should I? I’m telling you, you will lose everything! You are not going to get anything from anybody. There is no need for me to say you’re not going to get what you want from anyone else either. That you will find out by yourself. But that you can’t do either by your own effort or by your volition or by anything you do or do not do. That is not something that happens in the field of cause and effect.

Everything was thrown out of my system. I don’t know how I was thrown off the merry-go-round.  I went round and round and round.  I was lucky — luck, not in the sense that when you go to a gambling place and win if you’re lucky.  They put me on a merry go round; I went on and on and on.  I didn’t have the guts to jump off. I was just thrown off like an animal thrown from the top of a tree. The animal just gets up and runs off.

Fear makes your body stiff and then you will certainly break your limbs. My body is never stiff.

The demand for permanence — permanent relationships, permanent happiness, and permanent bliss — in any field and in any area of human existence is the cause of human misery. There is nothing to permanence.

So don’t be a damned fool! Go and make money. That’s the only thing that impresses me – cash on the barrel!  I told my grandparents this even as a little boy.

I am in perfect harmony with this world, exactly the way it is.

I will never break the laws, no matter how ridiculous the laws are.

I told Bertrand Russell, “The H-bomb is an extension of your policeman; are you willing to do away with the policeman?”

“You have to draw the line somewhere!” he said. I just said goodbye and walked out.

There is no need to change this world at all; and there is no need to change yourself either.

I am not a sociable man; yet I am not anti-social.

What I am trying to emphasize over and over again is that what has happened to me has nothing to do with the spiritual nonsense they preach; it doesn’t have even a teeny weenie bit of spiritual content. It is a physical phenomenon pure and simple. Once this body is freed from the stranglehold of whatever is put in there either by spiritual teachers or secular teachers, or by those scientists and medical technology, it functions in a very efficient way.

At the time I was born, when my mother introduced herself to me as “I am your mommy” and hugged me and kissed me, I apparently kicked her; and she died in seven days after I was born. When they put me into the frame of an enlightened man, they said that the mother of such a child can never have any more children or sex, and that she would die. Actually she died of puerperal fever, but not because she gave birth to an enlightened man. They have to put such people into that frame of giving birth to an enlightened man. 

An enlightened man can never have sex because he cannot reproduce another one like him.  Once an interviewer on television asked me, “Can’t we take your sperm and make a woman pregnant?”  I answered, “There is no sperm anymore.” Anandamayi stopped having her periods when she was twenty-one, after whatever had happened to her. She was a nice lady. She was a genuine article.

Your birth is not in your hands. You’re here because your parents had sex. But I can say now that your death is in your hands.

There is no meaning in and no purpose to suffering.

If a body is lucky enough to stumble into its natural way of functioning, it happens not through your effort, not through your volition; it just happens, but not by what you do or do not do. It is not even a happening within the field of cause and effect. ‘Acausal’ is the most appropriate word for it, because a happening can never be outside the field of cause and effect.

If it stumbles into this of and by itself, such a body will be so unique that it will be unparalleled in this world and will function in an extraordinary way. Such a body has never existed before on this planet.

You don’t have to take my word for it. Be miserable and die in your misery.

And such a man will be more spiritual than all the other claimants, but not in the ordinary sense of ‘spiritual’ — that nonsense must never be used. Spirit is only the breath as in “he breathed his last;” the word has nothing to do with the spiritual crap.”

U.G. Krishnamurti


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19 thoughts on “Words Negate Reality: At Silence Point

  1. Yes, words negate Reality, but they can also point to Reality. UG was misunderstood–very likely, and he had it coming. Some like to wake people up through shock, or through speaking out about what they are against. That has its place, but it is reactive. It is not a clear teaching of Truth, which is simple and not against, not filled with exaggerations, “all or nothing” statements, and the like.

  2. From Cambridge dictionary:

    “had it coming (to you)” informal

    If someone had it coming, something bad happened to them that was deserved.

    UG had it coming you said. ?????

    From your expression above your comprehension is surface, with no real depth or understanding. Every sentence you wrote – is fake, not true.

  3. Words obscure vision.
    But there is nothing to be seen?

    Okay…

    So, does vision contain nothing, or does nothing contain vision?

    The sense is that if there is TRULY nothing, then all experiential content should vanish. But if the truth is in seeing (rather than searching), then ‘here and now’ is all we’ve got?

    Ah but ‘nothing’ doesnt necessary mean ‘empty, dark, black, space’…

    The question I ask myself is: what role would I like to play in this fantasy? A true-blue person is hard to find? I know. I am still false and perhaps that is the truth.

    1. Words obscure what is right in front – this Life you are living.

      Seeing that clearly is Vision, no words required. The Sun shines regardless of whether there is anyone to describe it. That tree falling koan.

      That is ‘the nothing’ one sees at the end of it all. Back to Life as it has always been. Just life, and of course it is not an empty cold lifeless space. It is full of colour and movement and change.

      Boundless Emptiness (Death) is empty and black, but we are not there yet, right?

      1. Life as it always been gave birth to dissatisfaction? Words give birth to dissatisfaction but life gave birth to words?

        Although some say words gave birth to life.

        Dissatisfaction gave birth to the search for satisfaction…

        Whether the “lack of satisfaction” is filled by satisfaction or the lack is redefined so that the search for satisfaction becomes uneccesary, one experiences dissatisfaction and not satisfaction.

        Although from the animal perspective, the relationship of dissatisfaction and satisfaction is simply part of the programming for being a living thing.

        I don’t know where i am going with this. The sense is that if i expose enough words that eventually there will be nothing left to expose. Like when a body coughs to get phlegm out of its lungs.

      2. @non1on

        I have no idea where you are going with this either.

        Dissatisfaction keeps one going. There is no satisfaction without dissatisfaction.

        Nonduality is integration of the fact that this world is inherently dual, and there is no getting away from it. Plus-minus, black-white, below- above, matter-vacuum, close-far… etc…etc…etc.. into Infinity.

        People want the ‘good’ part of the ride, but that is not how life is. It includes all twists and bends.

      3. Having satisfaction about the dissatisfaction-satisfaction inherent in life is attractive to me. There are different kinds of dissatisfaction.

        How to reach such a mode of existence? Being dissatisfied about being dissatisfied seems fruitless and is repulsive.

        Might as well just “give up” and let it be. Content even when discontent.

      4. So trying to reach a mode of existence that happens naturally only after giving up on trying to “reach” anything seems like a great place to start for getting fucked in the head. The mode of existence happens naturally after that.

        If I’m reeeaaally fucked in the head, I might even pursue it’s opposite as though that means “i have given up on it” and once more scream and generate suffering within myself demanding perfection or ideal conditions or death or even demand hell, if I’m feeling especially brave and fucked in the head.

        And then further, alternate between chasing after “it” or pushing it away until I’m so exhausted and confused and lost that I simply give up and lay down on the floor refusing to move because why should I?

        And then, oh! I’ve given up! Hurray I did it! And it gets me all bothered and excited all over again.

        I cycle, and my cycles cycle and I can’t seem to permanently give up.

        So…just do whatever it is I do until I no longer do it?

        Let’s be concrete. The only value in “getting into shape” or “cleaning up my act” or “building a career” or “getting an education” or “being a good person” is in the value of the struggle it entails, and struggle has no inherent value.

        Struggle has no value but Relief or Expression or Transmission does. Struggle enables my experience of these things. A perspective in which I am content with either being content or discontent includes struggle as an experience that has value….To Me. My struggle fuels my creativity. It allows me empathy and understanding and this has value. To Me. Always to me.

        It might come down to choosing my own struggles. Struggles of my own choice produce no suffering but content with the discontent. Righteous anger – being content with discontent. Such a mode of living can be represented with words but cannot be approached with language in hand.

        If I were living out this mode of existence, it would inform my language and not the other way around.

      5. Don’t you find it ironic… humans do any kind of shit in order to survive, to remain alive and comfortable in the best possible manner.. only to kick the bucket in the end of it all.

        The battle had been lost before it even began. Get that, among a few other things, and everything will fall into place.

        Your struggle is all for nothing.

      6. That is “Then” and “There”.

        If death is “Here” and “Now” in the sense that if I look at the big picture as one, my death is evident, then so is my birth. The span of my life exists in a so-called Eternity. I may not get to observe it in an objective sense, but when did I ever have that privilege? If it could even be called a privilege.

        The future and the past are Then and There.

        Here and Now, my struggle is for Here and Now.

        It would be ridiculous of me to think my struggle Here and Now has any value for a past-me or a future-me. The past-me had no concept of what was coming. And the future-me evaluates in retrospection. If I value a struggle of the past, I am valuing it Here and Now. I cannot value a future struggle because I’ve never experienced it personally. How am I supposed to evaluate an experience I have not experienced?

        But discomfort sucks, unless it leads to an experience I’m interested in. That’s all the metaphysical motivation I need. There is no inherent meaning to struggle, so I am driven to avoid it whenever I can. Comfort feels nice, so I am attracted to experiencing it. It’s just the way I am, it has no special meaning.

      7. Look… I am not aware of a single human being who is free from the company of a personal demon.. or two.

        Whatever shape and form yours is – appreciate it, then deal with it. It is what’s keeping you alive.
        You know who you are. Give you your best shot.

  4. I write here to clear my mind a bit.

    First time I read UG it brought me on the brink of depression. He’s not for everyone, instead of “freedom” it can make your prison worse. Maybe I’m a jerk but I think that most people that appreciate his message only use it as an excuse for failure in the “spiritual”. This doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate it myself …

    Words don’t obscure anything. I obscure things by giving priority to words, thoughts, memories, habits, etc. It’s like a parasite resonance. It seems all my living is just waiting for something, on and on i keep projecting this tail ahead of me, and I can’t shake it off. And i don’t mean only psychological stuff, emotions, hopes, I mean it goes on with every aspect of existence.

    Maybe the purpose of sadhana is to make you shake off this tail. You exert your arbitrary will instead of letting yourself respond in the habitual ways. If the ego is a bundle of habits, acting or re-acting in this arbitrary way should dissolve the ego’s definition of itself, and so it drops by itself.

    I cannot not look for a way out.

    1. @zexe6zexe

      Write away…

      You produced these true statements:

      …. I write here to clear my mind a bit
      …. First time I read UG it brought me on the brink of depression
      …. It seems all my living is just waiting for something, on and on
      …. I cannot not look for a way out

      I don’t know what sadhana is, and last time I looked – there was no tail in my posterior.

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