Richard Rose And Humanity

“you’ve got to get this Pollyanna crap out of your heads. People think they can indulge in whatever whim overpowers them at the moment, and that somehow this ‘spontaneity’ is going to transform them into a wonderful spiritual creature that God just can’t resist loving. This is nonsense. Life isn’t pleasure, it’s constant struggle driven by relentless tension. Look out the window. It’s a bloody carnage out there. Everything’s trying to eat something else, just so it can stay alive long enough to reproduce and provide more food and fertilizer for this slaughterhouse.”

RICHARD ROSE

Rose is absolutely THE closest to what I perceive as unvarnished Truth, and there are reasons for this similarity of perception beyond this article. His take on life’s realities is absolute and nearly absolutely true. I say ‘nearly’, because Rose was not beyond the confines of his particular upbringing, hence, the use of the word ‘God’, even though he imbued it with the meaning far from the ordinary church goer. His description of the moment of realisation (mind opening) sounds very similar to what I had experienced.

However. The differences lie in the fact that he was a dick, and I am a vagina, which  does influence how a person will go about their life. Dicks tend to need a form of activity, an unconscious vector of direction towards something, THE ACTION driven by testosterone. Why do you think males ‘mellow’ with age? The hormone levels drop, perhaps to the levels comparable to that of vaginas.

So Richard Rose ran about, farming, lecturing and ashraming in the belief that changing the realities of a few people is of value somehow. Of course, that in itself is a mirage, but dicks feel compelled to ‘make a mark on the world’, even when they do not consciously realise that. He did what he was driven to do, an inner inclination. At least, his vector of activity was not directed towards chasing vaginas as the main purpose of his existence, or building multi million dollar empires on the backs of human slaves. Sorry, dicks, and one day I will have something to say about vaginas too, with their incessant need for material security.

I hadn’t watched a single TV programme between 2011 and 2017. It was an instinctive drive to stay away from the Hive Mind in order to figure things out for myself. Now I occasionally watch the National Geographic which accurately records the real struggle for survival among absolutely every living form on Earth. It is the true jungle out there, a bloody, meaningless attempt of each individual life form to stay alive for as long as possible, only to turn to ash. And it takes the most peculiar shape in human societies, if one observes carefully the reasons for the despicable human acts. One step from monkeys on the evolution ladder does not automatically create the state of true humanity in every human. Pride of lions eating a pray in Masai Mara

Mother Nature is not as remarkable and awe inspiring as humans like to think of it. It is a fusion of natural laws of physics and of random, mindless chance. The necessity to consume another life form in order to survive is a fucked up cruel joke of creation when one considers it consciously. Lions do not feel remorse for tearing down a gazelle; they have no conscious capacity for consideration. We, on the other hand, are continuously caught between a human will to exist and human awareness of the cost of existence.

The price of sapience is the internal split, that mysterious word ‘separation’ so loved by spiritual groups. “You are ONE with the universe”, they repeat mindlessly, without any understanding that there is no ‘with’ and no ‘separation’ anywhere, except in their heads.

TOO MUCH?

Is Truth too much to take for an average person? How much do you really dislike yourself to deny self a simple realisation that you are the Alfa and the Omega of your existence? That NO ONE in the entire universe will ever care about you in the same way you care about yourself? That YOUR life is primary to you and this can never be any other way?

If there ever was TRUE love – this is it: your own relationship with yourself, unsurpassed and invincible. After all, one does not get up in the morning and wish themselves all sorts of bad shit to happen. One wishes themselves only the best. And yet… humans desperately seek external love, scaffolding one another in this myth so that they stay afloat in the world.

Of course, there is also another side of the coin. You are absolutely nothing.

Mr Rose got that. He was also of the illusion that waking someone up from the snoozy nightmare is of benefit. A mistake.

“Oh, I still exist in the nightmare. Everyone on earth exists in the nightmare. The
difference is that when you people ‘die’ you’ll just go into another nightmare. Then there’s a tremendous agony that accompanies the realization you’re still not free. My job is to find five people and wake them up now in the hope that they’ll each find five more people, and so on. In that way, mankind might be benefited.”

RICHARD ROSE

As I said before….  no one is free. He was right to say that stepping out of the agony makes the difference. However, Human Condition, our collective Blueprint as species – is unchangeable, with all the consequences and high costs of being self aware, and no one man will ever have the power to affect this.
All spiritual movements are essentially about one thing: attempting to confront our origin, and failing.

Note: Jed McKenna writings are pretty close to Rose’s, but without the enigmatic belief in saving Humanity.


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38 thoughts on “Richard Rose And Humanity

  1. I’ve always like Richard Rose’s stuff. Based on other writings of yours I’ve read and this one I think you might like Season one of True Detective , speaking of shows. Rust Chloe has some interesting ideas there. I think you “might” like it .

    1. Thank you for the recommendation. One day may be.

      My observation is that people arrive at the knowing from entirely different paths, and attempt to convey it later on in different ways, but where they all land – is exactly the same spot.

      I mean.. what would I have in common with a mid-Western American painter cum farmer cum teacher who was born exactly a hundred years ago and is nearly fifteen years dead? And yet… I can see him, who he was, his Mind – quite clearly.

      Richard wasn’t as clear-cut or as mystical or as powerful or even as ethical as people like to think of him. Money wasn’t a consideration in what he was doing, this is true. But if he ever attempted to try on me some of the tricks he tried on his students… well, ‘a taste of own medicine’ expression comes to mind.

      But he was real, not fake.

  2. I read, or tried to read, a couple of Richard Rose’s writings. I came away thinking one must of had to be there.

    Reading this post makes more sense to me than the two or three books I touched. And reinforces that we all come to an understanding via our own unique path. It’s rather doubtful anyone else gives a rat’s ass for my preferences about music, art, or literature and very, very much less my views on spirituality.

    After reading this I thought what only I probably thought and went through my recollections of Kurt Vonnegut’s novel, Slaughter House Five. As above, we all perceive things based on our own unique backgrounds and interests. And so, I too tended to see literature through the eyes of a traveler. I’ll leave you with these tokens from Vonnegut’s novel and let you decide whether the novel or movie if worth a second look from a slightly different perspective than is typical.

    “- Why me?
    – That is a very Earthling question to ask, Mr. Pilgrim. Why you? Why us for that matter? Why anything? Because this moment simply is. Have you ever seen bugs trapped in amber?
    – Yes.
    – Well, here we are, Mr. Pilgrim, trapped in the amber of this moment. There is no why.”

    and

    Billy had a framed prayer on his office wall which expressed his method for keeping going, even though he was unenthusiastic about living. A lot of patients who saw the prayer on Billy’s wall told him that it helped them to keep going, too. It went like this: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom always to tell the difference.”

    Among the things Billy Pilgrim could not change were the past, the present, and the future.

    and of course,

    “So it goes.” which is used though out the book when death appears apparent in Billy’s mind.

    “So it goes.”

    Sounds dismal. But the light, at least for me, is found in the understanding that it’s high time we got on with living because all the bullshit that comes with seeking is exactly that – bullshit.

    One more:
    “But she did look back, and I love her for that, because it was so human. So she was turned to a pillar of salt. So it goes. People aren’t supposed to look back. I’m certainly not going to do it anymore.”
    ― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

    1. Richard Rose writings are too cerebral for his audiences, in contrast to what his physical presence was – unadorned and simple. A professional editor who also thoroughly understood his meanings – would have enormously improved his scripts. I don’t think he could afford one.

      L, I’ve always admired your ‘get on with living’ because you actually do just that, without fuss and fanfare.

      I sense sadness, but you know what?… Those who know, who got the cosmic joke – are somehow connected by an invisible thread. It is inexplicable and beyond reason. This is what my personal light is about – knowing there are others.

      1. Sadness? I think there is a reaction as some point when we see the sham of belief systems and seeking. In Jed’s first book he describes an interaction with one of the people staying at his house who has finally understood and is “done.” It doesn’t describe a celebration. Then there is the dark night of the soul which comes late in the game and described in other methods of seeking. It’s not any different than what Kubler-Ross describes on the progression of emotional states on the loss of a loved one. What the seeker has lost is the seeking. What the follower has lost is the belief system that accompanies the guru or religion. It’s a loss and as humans we almost always follow a pattern of emotional adjustment to loss.

        But the beauty of these dark, sad moments is what follows after the loss. Realization that we can now move forward. That we have enormous capacity without the dogma of beliefs. And plenty of time to live without the wasted time of seeking. The puzzle solved, we move on free of the shackles. In time it becomes apparent that in some ways it’s no better than the shackles but it’s where we are suppose to be. Being done doesn’t bring joy it only brings acceptance of truth; the laundry still needs folding.

        And so, perhaps Vonnegut was right in offering three simple words to handle reality and loss (or people, beliefs, paths). Three words which I think allow a moving on by simplifying a letting go of that to which we cling. “So it goes.”

        1. I can’t really qualify myself as someone who was seeking. It happened too fast, without any prior encounters even with the word ‘spirituality’, leave alone all the worldly commotion around it.

          All I had was the burning intensity of wanting to know what was real. The great intensity ran me through every conceivable illusion with a neck breaking speed. It smashed all of them to smithereens, nothing was left.

          Herein lies acceptance of what is, and a laugh at what isn’t. But I get impatient when humans attempt to sell the re-packaged, cleaned up, desensitised Dream – back to the dreamers.

          I place Richard Rose higher on the evolution ladder than Ramana. He made no attempt to escape Reality. The only illusion he held on to: that people change and can be changed.

          They don’t.

    1. Not so much gangs, but it is now a massive construction site. I was there a month ago. I’d imagine Miami was in the same state when they started the Florida coastline development a long time ago. As I said a year ago “An architectural statement of an intent to stay’…the Chinese aren’t going anywhere. The West lost Cambodia, and for a good reason.

      Most barangs left Snooky, moved to PP, Kampot, Temple Town or repatriated back home, incuding long term expats. They call the city Chinkville now.

      Election yesterday and today. News websites are blocked. Phnom Penh is very quiet.

  3. I don’t know what are you trying to achieve here, you claim its absurd trying to awaken others yet you write …you’r writings are full of unexamined assumptions. makes no sense to me but hey, everyone is living in their own world.

    1. Makes no sense to you? You are not alone, it makes no sense to 99.9% of humans.

      I put myself ‘out there’, but I fully understand why Mr. McKenna avoids direct communication with his readers. In the majority – it is not pleasant, and from my perspective – silly. For instance, you suggest ‘unexamined assumptions’, but if I asked you to outline a specific example of such assumptions – you’d bail out.

      So in a way you are correct, writing here is completely meanigless.

  4. The whole paragraph about vaginas and dicks is baseless, that’s just pop psychology at best. you said you are a vagina, really? is that true??

  5. “Oh, I still exist in the nightmare. Everyone on earth exists in the nightmare. The difference is that when you people ‘die’ you’ll just go into another nightmare.”

    Is he reffering to some sort of a incarnation or what I am missing here?

    1. No, not incarnation.

      He used the word ‘die’ in commas, meaning it is used as a metaphor for gaining vision.

      It means ‘When finally one’s world collapses (complete disillusionment in everything) – the person realises clearly that nothing has changed or will change’. In other words… the Reality one was hoping would be different, better – is the same old nightmare as it has always been.

      What then? Hmm…. accept the fact. Acceptance (NOT the endorsement of all the worldly shite!! there is a difference!) is part of what leads to cessation of seeking and internal balance.

      There was nothing to search for.

      1. Oh okay, thanks. But is it accurate to reffer reality as a nightmare? I am not saying to call reality beautiful, but maybe just somewhere in the middle – as it is. Sometimes beautiful, sometimes “nightmarish”. Or is it really that humanity is failed experiment and we all be better off if it would be wiped out?

        1. I would say it is accurate if one looks to the very basics of what life is.

          To live – one has to destroy something else that is alive. Think about what you eat. It is all alive organisms, killed so that you can live. THAT is the total cruelty of existence.

          Rose was correct when he said it is carnage out there. Humanity per se is not in any way special and not a failed experiment. Life does not evolve along the lines of experimentation, which suggests a degree of thoughtfulness and sentience. Nature is senseless, random and non sentient.

          I suggest you consider in great detail just HOW living creatures stay alive, including human beings. Look at the facts.

          1. Embodiment. Coming together of Spirit and Matter, Shiva and Shakti.
            There is much talk about embodiment of awakening now, it is what differs modern spirituality from spirituality of the past.

            Using gurus like Rose or Jed, who don’t speak about this part, as an example that enlightenment changes nothing makes no sense. “I’m not my body-mind” part of enlightenment indeed doesn’t change much. It brings enormous relief, because we’re not lost in our “character” anymore, but the ways our “character” learned to operate in this world are still there…

            Teachers like Richard Rudd and his “Gene Keys” may be a better source of inspiration here.. Or basically anyone who doesn’t deny (or abuse) Shakti. Denying Shiva won’t work either.

            We won’t stop eating one another overnight, obviously, but we have to start somewhere.
            So when Shiva tries to descend to Earth and we are welcoming him with 8 billion middle fingers, then what do we expect? Heaven on earth? Without God? And so, nightmare it is.

          2. I don’t know who those chaps Shiva and Shakti were. Never met them and doubt anyone has. But I do know it is entirely possible to feel strong contempt for the world at large and love the said world completely and with abandon.

  6. I’d be willing to bet that most people who practice “spirituality” could not even tell you what it is outside of dumping a bunch of conceptual garbage on you, left over from borrowed ideas. Messy mental masturbation sessions.

    Why not toss spirituality out the window and go for a spirited existence instead? Actually “going deeper” into what’s in front of your eyes rather than in your mind…

      1. Tano:

        What is your definition of contempt then?

        Justin:

        If you turned spirituality into concepts, a philosophy then that’s your problem and your responsibility. It was never about theory for me.

        The ego-mind will be more than willing to provide you with many examples of people (teachers or students) who got lost in spiritual teachings (be it theory, borrowed or partial realisations) and are using them to avoid life. And it will conveniently close your eyes to those who are using spirituality in a very practical, mature and responsible way. Not as borrowing someone else’s discoveries but a source of inspirations for their own. Guess why.

        One can use a knife to cut the bread or to kill someone. The solution is not blaming and throwing out the knife, the solution is becoming radically honest about one’s intentions.

        What’s in front of my eyes right now? A pleasing ego, that doesn’t like to disagree with others and advices me to “shut up and mind my own business”. And so I’m tickling it. I’m doing it because I want to live consciously, not as my ego’s puppet.

        1. Again, youd be hard pressed to provide me with a definition of spirituality without cherry picking borrowed concepts from various philosophies. Which philosophy one follows is an entirely ego based process. If nothing more it sounds like you value having a healthy sense of self which is great. That’s what I value as well but that can be done without the majority of what people refer to as spirituality and can save you a lot of time in the process.

          1. I’d be curious if you could even name one benefit to practicing spirituality over just deciding to be a decent person with an openness to experience and a willingness to learn.

        2. The point is that “spirituality” is nothing more than conceptual matter that once understood as such can be discarded with the rest of the excess.

          1. Be honest. Do you want Truth? Because your “what’s in it for me” attitude pretty much says that you don’t give a damn.

            Do we need spirituality to wake up? No. But the thing is, that no one can fool us better than we fool ourselves. So we can save ourselves a lot of time and suffering by letting others to call us on our BS. Which has nothing to do with giving anyone our authority.

            I have not decided to be a decent person. I’ve decided to be real. Years ago, after a long period of trying to fix myself, I told my human: “I give up. If this sad and angry girl is what you are, then so be it, I won’t try to change you anymore”. But I gave her my attention, my presence. And that’s how I discovered the power of acceptance. The power of love.
            And maybe if someone told me back then, to just sit on my ass and look at what I’m doing, how cruel I’m being to myself, it would have saved me some time.

  7. Honestly… “Truth” is another vague term that gets thrown around. I dont have to “want it.” I deal everyday in both objective and subjective reality as does everyone regardless of their beliefs, “spiritual” or otherwise. It isn’t special. It’s just getting clear on the difference which is a part of growing up.

    “What’s in it for me” is also a great question to live by once you drop the preoccupation with the ego. You’re never rid of yourself. No one is and there are no exceptions. Selfishness is the driving force behind life as we know it. Don’t fool yourself. Look closely.

    “Waking up” is often misconstrued as well. I’m quite awake as we speak if we’re being “real and honest” Its also what people say to each other when they have differences in opinions but I’m not so impressionable these days as to think that by “letting others call my bs” that I will “wake up” further. No one grasps Truth anymore than another either objectively or subjectively. When you get that there is no way to give your authority away because you realize that no one has it. You have your subjective reality to play with, your beliefs, values and the way you choose to go about living. That’s it. No one else can interfere with that unless you give them permission. That’s your only place of authority. In the real world no one gives a shit about how open your heart chakras are or your virtue. You’re either in charge of your life or you’re not. You’ll allow yourself to get used or you have had enough of it and wise up. Congratulations on deciding to get real and learning to love and accept things. What matters it that YOU decide for those things in your reality. “Who then is invincible? The one who cannot be upset by anything outside their reasoned choice.”—EPICTETUS

    Presence, poise, focus, authenticity, integrity, focus, dedication, persistence, perseverance, will, self containment, regulation, deliberation, rationality, empathy and understanding are all things that are worth cultivating as an adult that dont require the buying into belief systems or philosophies. I choose to think and act for myself. Be a decent person. But I dont subscribe to spirituality or religion. How you play the game of life is entirely up to you.

    1. “#105 Reply
      Posted by Jed McKenna on 30 Jan, 2019 22:05
      What if you are looking for something you can’t see, you can’t feel, you can’t here…none of the conventional descriptors can define or categorize… what are you going to use… or perhaps the besting thing to do is give up. You can always just give up… but your giving up must be absolutely total without conditions… whatcha gonna do.

      Love ya, Jed.”

      This is the definition of being lulled to sleep by someone whom you think has more authority than you. It’s the opposite of waking up.

      1. Ummm, are you quoting from the Jed Mckenna forum because you believe that the real JM wrote that? FYI: That forum is run by a quack, psychopath. Did you know that?

    2. You are mistaking self-improvement with awakening (self-discovery).

      I said that I gave up on fixing my human, and you are giving me more advices on how to fix my human. I said that I’ve discovered the power of acceptance and love, which you reduced to something impractical. If it wasn’t practical it wouldn’t be “power”.

      This is the embodiment part of awakening I was mentioning before. It’s where you as God (presence, acceptance, love) meet your Human (conditioning, stories, unhealed wounds, demons, etc..). And although it can look and feel like taming a wild animal, this is what our Humans are waiting and long for. Not God, as something outside of ourselves. God as that Presence in us that doesn’t judge or try to fix us, but heals us by simply Being. If we allow it.

      The big misunderstanding is that acceptance means indifference, disempowerment, “If I accept things as they are, nothing will change”. Big difference between actions coming from a place “something is wrong and I need to fix it”, and from a place of deep acceptance and love of what is, and understanding of what is actually going on in front of your eyes.

      It is in that meeting where devotion is born. Here we realise how many things we do in life only to distract ourselves from the big black hole within, which is a result of this inner separation. This is where God seduces us and we give up our free will, we surrender ourselves basically (in a good “thy will be done” way).

      If you don’t feel ready to meet your darkest and ugliest parts (and let God to… enlighten them) then self-improvement seems like a good choice (until you still have a choice). But it’s not awakening.

      1. When I trim the fat all you are saying is to love and accept yourself and dont worry about “improving your human.” I’m just not into waiting for God to come have a healing session with my spirit animal when I can deepen my understanding so as to effect change here and now. At least your version somewhat focuses on self improvement albeit God willing rather than the complete state of dissociation that gets called enlightenment leaving the rest of us with a fucked up individual to deal with.

      2. To be awake is nothing more than being conscious, aware and deliberate resulting in right action as opposed to the unconscious behavior resulting in the current state of most people and their affairs.

  8. @Joanna

    Not my definition, but a commonly accepted definition depicting a real human phenomenon:

    CONTEMPT
    1.
    a : the act of despising : the state of mind of one who despise, disdain

    b : lack of respect or reverence for something

    2 : the state of being despised

    3 : willful disobedience to or open disrespect of a court, judge, or legislative body

    I am talking about #1, both a. and b.

    Contempt does not at all suggest anger. On the contrary… Contempt is cold (it is even used as a collocation in English – ‘cold contempt’), a fully comprehended result of seeing the full picture.

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