All These Teachers… Where’s Truth?

I find it ironic that the Jed McKenna books are supposed to point to Truth, and yet, everything around them is mired in deception.

No author’s name. A fictitious account of events that only vaguely reflects factual reality, but looks as an autobiography. No company address for Wisefool Press, with numerous PO boxes and disposable email accounts for correspondence. No students to corroborate at least some parts of the story. Anonymous people with fake email addresses, and believe me the EM had a few of those. Those who endorsed the books – have no idea, and even the man whose book was endorsed – was none the wiser as to who was behind the endorsement.

And yet the subject is about Truth, the search for which is said to be the most important endeavour a human can undertake. Hmm…

All this was mentioned and discussed many times before, but there is one person who I feel has become a true prisoner in his commitment to the Jed McKenna franchise: Peder Sweeney.

There are no employment or business records for the man after the year 2000 when the first book proposal started to take shape… except some vague independent enterprises that never took off. No writing material that could showcase his spanking sharp literary skills so evident from his student days. He keeps changing names and residencies, retreating further into the woods, very literally. Perhaps, being the front man of the operation brings some financial benefits, but I didn’t see much evidence of that either.

The show is bigger than what people allow themselves to think. But who controls the show and what is being so obsessively protected?

Abilgen PapersSome people suggested to me that a former student of Rose may have written the books. I can find no tangible connection to any of Rose students. Yes, the books follow many lines of Rose’s teachings, but such similarities are to be expected, considering that both McKenna and Rose saw the same thing. The differences are also evident. Richard Rose was KIND. Just plain and simple: a kind and humane individual. He didn’t sugar coat anything to meet the expectations of people around him, and many considered him a loose cannon. He could stand in front of a hostile audience and not wince; remember, practices of spiritual talks and gatherings were not that familiar then. He was an ‘acquired taste’, and yet, most people had come to deeply respect the man.

Jed McKenna?? I don’t know. You don’t know. To know that – one has to know the person in real life, beyond the bullocks of ‘I am only the finger..’. just in case the finger turns out to be a dirty one. What about ‘Jed’ then? How real is he, beyond printed words? I would love to think he is. But I don’t know what is beyond the manuscripts, into Reality.


In contrast…. here is something about Richard Rose: After The Absolute: Real Life Adventures With A Backwoods Buddha

It is a beautifully written, real and honest account. It can also be found online to read for free, if you search. Keep in mind that none of the people mentioned in the book were anywhere close to the big ‘E’ and were generally clueless as to what the man was about. They were young, lacked any serious life experience, and Rose believed that young minds are more receptive to the message.

THAT again, the idea of ‘teaching’, was his delusion, and there are things I find questionable. However, the intent was clean: Rose tried, sincerely and without greed, to pass on what he had come to realise at the age of 30 and what he had been keeping to himself for twenty years. In ten years of the farm operations no one got ‘enlightened’, which just confirms what I keep saying: Enlightenment is nothing more than a natural process of mind maturation and cannot be granted or pushed upon ANYone by ANY means.

The writing is captivating, detailed, sincere and objective, a credit to the author, David Gold.

Richard Rose was an ordinary man with an open mind, both naïve and profound at the same time. What did you expect from the ‘enlightened’? Miracles? The closer to the ‘enlightened’ archetype a teacher is – the further they are from Truth.

One minute thirteen seconds of the ‘plain and simple’.


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26 thoughts on “All These Teachers… Where’s Truth?

  1. I find your relationship to Jed’s work very interesting. I can’t tell if you actually like it or not, hah.

    As far as Truth here goes though, I feel like Jed would say that only one thing is Truth, and that’s what he’s pointing towards. Everything else, Jed, the books, the words, the thoughts, are all untruth.

    1. ‘Jed’ can say a lot about a lot of things. None of it means anything.

      The real measure of man, ANY man, is what he does and how he does it.

      Truth is Reality, Reality is Truth, and we are all ‘it’. Brahman/Atman conundrum which ‘Jed’ figured out pretty well. Do you understand that?

      Again.. get out of your head and turn your gaze towards Reality, not towards the words ABOUT truth.

  2. I don’t know anything about this Rose guy, but the Post-Apocalyptic Lightmare at the end of Warfare suggests that a major influence was Descartes’ skepticism. Sweeney or McKenna — it’s hard to disentangle the two — thought that Descartes “built the bomb but he never set it off in his own life.” So that’s what the McKenna character set out to do: “I still had my own personal deconstruction to do, which is how I spent almost the next two years . . . everything I believed I now had to unbelieve.”

    As for the deception, you can see even in Sweeney’s student journalism from the 1980s the urge to create for himself the facade of an enlightened master, one who is superior to all those around him. I wouldn’t be surprised if McKenna were Sweeney’s fantasy version of himself, a fantasy that can be maintained only if no one gets to know who the real Sweeney is.

    Ironic, too, that Sweeney, who likes to pretend that he is Jed McKenna, should inspire McMordie to go out and do exactly the same thing.

    1. “a major influence was Descartes’ scepticism.” ……………. LOL One would think that, wouldn’t they…. Nope.

      A major influence was that he (the author) fucked up majorly somewhere in his life and fell to pieces as a result. If we are to believe the books timeline – he was the same age as Richard Rose – 30.

      He came across Descartes when looking to EXPLAIN to himself what the hell ‘went wrong’, why he had fucked up and how everything blew up and left him with nothing. Descartes and all other names are the aftermath, not the catalyst.

      It is a path of failure.

      You assume Sweeney is the author. I don’t. I could knock on his door tomorrow, but that would result in nothing.

  3. Really dive into the Albigen papers and some other Rose books, the Plato Cave analogy gets used quite a bit, Walt Whitman gets mentioned a lot as does Herman Melville. It’s for sure one of his students most likely Turak.

    Turak a student of Rose was caught in a photo with a well worn Moby dick on his desk, if you go through his old twitter account some of the Jed writings match up with his stuff too. I

    1. @There Is No Self

      Does August Turak like Moby Dick because he has WRITTEN the books or does August Turak like Moby Dick because he has READ the books? Cause and effect?

      I don’t think August is TR, at least not from what I have seen him writing (and doing).

      I gave you my reasons (and have a bigger list of those) as to why I don’t think it is August, and asked you a question elsewhere, to clarify further. You didn’t reply.

      Why so mysterious?

        1. August Turak was born c. 1952. “Jed McKenna” was born 1961. So they are not the same person.

          At the same time, reading Turak’s piece “Rose’s Kitchen,” I do see a resemblance between Rose (d. 2005) and McKenna’s character “Brett,” who owns a Virgina farm in Warfare (published c. 2007).

          1. How do you know when “Jed” was born? the mcmordie guy didn’t write the books.

          2. We don’t know when ‘Jed McKenna’ was born. There WAS a remark from those who claim to know him that he is in his mid to over fifties as of now (2018).

            Peder Sweeney was born in 1961.

            It is entirely possible that one of Rose’s students wrote the books. But to write the books with that kind of content – one has to have had the mind opening. August is NOT THERE, so I cannot see how he could have pulled the trick of writing so clearly about something he had not experienced.

            Although… there are fake copies of ‘Mona Lisa’ better than the original.

            If so – a fake account of an enlightened person that is better than the account of the real enlightened person (Rose, for instance) huh….. that would be a pity.

            What I find amusing is that in the past there was a division between ‘McMordie is the author’ and ‘McMordie is not the author’. Now we will have the following:

            1. Turak the author/not the author

            2. An unknown Rose student the author/not the author

            3. Sweeney author/not the author

            4. None of the above

            I am in the ‘none of the above’, with a slight ‘maybe’ towards No.2, because it doesn’t contradict other known variables.

            Let’s just keep eliminating. One out (Kenneth), a few to go. I am not in a hurry.

  4. A lot of people think Steve Gray/Adyashanti wrote the books, if you go to the earlier Adya talks I can see how they would think that.. He said he would sit in coffee shops and write until he could find what wasn’t true. The younger Adya was more ruthless in discussing truth, talking about it being like death and the process of awakening a “bloody mess”. But I don’t think it was him, his writing style is totally different.

    1. I know.

      If you read carefully – you will see that Augie’s style is also different. Neither is he a ‘bad ass’. He drifted away from Rose because they had a totally different perspective on things. Turak is a salesperson at heart, as much as he would like to present himself as an enlightened being.

      He is certainly highly aware, no dispute there. But he is not ‘Jed’. His energetic signature feels very different.

      But as always… I’m keeping an open mind.

      1. Yes. It is a horrible thing when it starts. For me it was illness that almost killed me and pulled everything I knew away. A forced dissolving of attachments. The Jed books are full of the energy of non division, I realize that it is not something that can be put into words. I don’t know who wrote the books, there’s a chance that they weren’t even realized themselves.. that is was a work they considered “channeled” and let themselves/ego drop away enough during the writing process for it to come out. All I know, is the Jed books put out the same energy that Adyashanti did when I sat with him, which of course isn’t “his” energy.

        1. I don’t really understand what people mean by ‘channelled’, but the books were written consciously and deliberately. Look at the amount of research that went into them: all the quotes and the names mentioned.

          The person who wrote them – went in deep.

          I don’t know what you mean by ‘which of course isn’t “his” energy’.

        1. I don’t know much about Kesey other than what”s in Wikipedia. He seemed a lost to himself iconoclast.

          However, can you see how the Collective Conscious spreads ideas and notions from human to human, UNCONSCIOUSLY? Each next generation picks up on what particularly resonates with them, and adds own flavour.

          The result? A medley of half digested ideas, trials and errors repeated by the next young.. The Great Wheel keeps turning. Fascinating.

  5. Augie T isn’t enlightened, so he can’t be Jed books author? Why do you believe that he is not awake, or alternately that the Jed books author is?

    I also thought along similar lines for many years (aided by our fake Invisible Gurus persuasive misdirection – god bless him). No way could it be AT. An RR student no problem, but no-way was it RR student AT – he’s a Christian F.F.S!

    Anyways, the last few weeks I’ve actually gone back and read / listened to both AT and RR talking about this enlightenment stuff. Now, AT has definitely deleted heaps of his earlier ‘spiritual’ web presence (wonder why), but what’s still there is pretty revealing. RR on the other hand is Jed incarnate. Check out youtube ‘The psychology of the observer’ https://youtu.be/eT7FpoDkqao/

    Tano – I remember reading somewhere on this site that the friend who was investigating Cambodia Jed with you saw the ‘real’ Jeds initials and told you to ‘guess’ if you wanted to know who it was. Seriously, it’s staring you in the face if you could only get over a preconceived image of what the author should be like. Every puzzle piece fits – do some more research.

    1. I don’t believe. I know. Sounds arrogant? Whatever.

      Turak’s internal dependence on a monastic order is just not it. I subscribe to no existing human philosophy or creed. All those are a crutch for the mind, like a lullaby for a baby.

      It is not Stephen Gray, no. It is not a matter of preconceived images. It is a matter of tangible evidence rather than profiling. One can profile till the cows come home, means nothing.

  6. SIAS here.
    Isn’t “Turaks internal dependence on a monastic order is just not it” a preconceived image? Clearly you haven’t actually read about Turaks history with Rose and SKS etc, or listened to Turak talking about and have just read the book titles. Easy mistake, I dismissed him to, and I had Shawn Tedrow telling me he stayed with Turak and was convinced he was Jed and I’d done a decent amount of investigation myself. Still couldn’t see it or more to the point didn’t want to. I wanted Jed to be someone supposedly worthy of my devotion. Augie just didn’t cut it.
    But going back now, revisiting and digging deeper, reading and listing to more AT and RR, without the illusions of Who or What Jed should confirm too – It’s clear as day.
    And unless you come across hard evidence (whatever you believe that to be) then profiling is all we’ve got. Jed wants to stay hidden- take that into account in your search for his identity. The why and the how he dies this helps the profile immensely. Also, in regards evidence – your friend who saw the ‘real’ Jed’s initials – that’s pretty hard evidence. What other initials could he have seen fir him to immediately know who it was and tell you to ‘guess’ if you wanted to know?

    Others who are actually interested in who Jed is – profile or not – start to dig around AT – and remember that book Jed is an amalgam of the author, his teacher/gurus, his own awakening, his intellect, his personality and the Jed personas, marketing, misdirection and half truth stories. Jed author felt he couldn’t write the books under his own name. Why? He continues to write – but has continued to protecte his identity. Jed author will not be a walking talking mimic of Jed in his books. In fact he may be masquerading as a retired businessman, promoting selfless-service. What else is there to do in the theatre if you are awake other than meditate in a monestary? Oh yeah, that too 😉

    1. You keep changing the handle, I don’t know if I am talking to the same person.

      But IF you are the same person.. you thought over the years that the author was Bach, Adya, Turak, McMordie.

      You don’t need to do this very human thing: trying to convince me of your convictions. I don’t think it is Turak. What are you gonna do..shoot me?

      Humans…

  7. lol. I’m really truly not the slightest bit interested in convincing you of anything. I’m interested in having genuine discourse about who the JMK author may actually be! I though you may be someone who would be interested in delving onto looking at the possibilities. Clearly not. All good. I do understand not wanting to believe JMK is anyone other than a real world enlightened master or a secretive regular awake guy. But there is no other credible JMK option than Augie (based lots more research than off the cuff guesses). You have lots to say about lots of things, lots of opinions (almost all negative) about everyone else. You are welcome to them. I’m only, really, just keen to know who the real author is. Not in having a battle of opinions and egos. You have the gall to try and attack my credibility by listing my JMK guesses. Lol – well I didn’t go live in Cambodia for months to find a fake JMK. You did! how’s your credibility! Anyway, I don’t hold that against your opinion on who the real JMK is, he is hiding pretty well and our invisible guru was pretty convincing. But to throw my guesses in my face when I just trying to get to the truth is a reflection on you, not me. When I was searching and researching everyone and everything spiritual in the hopes of discovering JMK – I was under the delusion that the forum Jed was the author Jed. Our wonderful forum guru was also very happy to deny any guesses I came up with (including Augie) – and so I kept looking for the ‘name’. It had to be someone who was known. Had to be. When I found out it was Kenneth I guess I gave up the search. Now – with you revealing it isn’t Kenneth (thank you so much BTW) – my focus returned – without the rose colored glasses and deception of forum Jed. It took about 2 -3 weeks of rechecking my original guesses to realise JMK is Augie. It would be wonderful to share the whys and whethers with someone else as interested in the truth as I have been. Though it may have been you – but you don’t seem interested in looking at who JMK is anymore. You seem to just be interested in proffering your opinion on us ‘humans’ and playing games with Peder Sweeney information – revealing some details about him but saying ‘don’t bother trying to find him’ as he has changed his name – blah, blah. WTF. Stop trying to tease everyone with our knowledge – or keep doing it – whatever -its just boring for me as I want to have genuine discussion, not games of cat and mouse as to who knows more! You are just playing silly games with this whole thing. If you are awake as you claim (which I am definitely not) you have the ‘stink’ of an enlightened ego. Get over yourself. xxx

    1. Sally, I told you I don’t think it is Turak, and look what I get in return.. a wall of text.

      Well, I will just repeat: I don’t think it is Turak.

      You contacted me privately, but spoke about Adya a couple of weeks back. Now it is Turak, what’s changed? Neither suggestion is without provision of any serious basis from you. As you said yourself it is about profiling, but 1). Profiling is not proof 2). Turak does not profile that way for me.

      As people know from the history of this website and the research – I am not afraid to change my position, but only if there are serious grounds. Right now I see no such ground, but if that changes – I will let you know.

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