Hey Jeds.. Hey Judes.. Hey Dudes.. Subtleties Of Untruths

The (now ex) forum member LivininBliss left the following on about two dozen threads of the Invisible Guru forum:

livininbliss

Kenneth McMordie deleted those and this forum membership as usual. A comment by a faithful follower suggested it was me, which Kenneth reinforced with the long-standing line:

km hath no fury

Well.. it wasn’t me. But I know who it was, and thank you for that.

Maybe it is time to get the real Jed more involved. Concerns about keeping the Jed McKenna book enterprise balanced and well-oiled make him reluctant to name our Kenneth as an impostor, hence, indirectly endorsing the scam. Where is Truth in that, except embracing the lie of it?

In the meantime… more forum members are having their brains knocked out. Killing bodies is considered a crime. And killing minds by way of destroying their ability to think? Is that OK?

I recently watched a documentary about the three cup monte scamming enterprise which runs in every city of the world. Those who run it state “People who engage in the game – are simply stupid. We play on their stupidity”.

It is not OK to play on the differences in physical size and use them in order to harm another. It is done in the world, yes, but any normal HUMAN (not a human animal) would consider it not OK.

Is it OK to play on the differences of intelligence/life experiences and exploit those who may be more vulnerable to external suggestion because of those differences?


SkyBlue

38 thoughts on “Hey Jeds.. Hey Judes.. Hey Dudes.. Subtleties Of Untruths

  1. Kenneth has made his forum confirmation only. He has to confirm every post for it to show up on the forum. 😂

    1. How do you know this? Did you try to post something, and it was placed in moderation queue?

      I would prefer to see the IG forum gone, in the same way webs.com closed Kenneth’s first forum. It is really screwing people up, both mentally and financially. Those people may not see this… yet. It will manifest some time down the line.

      Perhaps, everyone needs to encounter and get entangled in a scam in order to start losing illusions and rose-coloured glasses.

      1. Yes exactly, I tried to post st and it got placed in the moderation queue. He is truly a mad control freak, something totally opposite of what he preaches. He Is also desprate to keep his forum from because it is his source of income and he is afraid poverty. I don’t see a single human adulthood feature in this man 😔

        1. That is probably because I sent about 20 private messages, started 3 new threads, and posted my warning in about 30 threads as replies. They sat there unmoderated for about three hours before I went to bed.

  2. I added this to my review of Mckenna’s 1st book. It’s posted on Amazon
    Customer Review
    Mark B
    2.0 out of 5 starsThe Invisible Guru Forum is not run by Jed Mckenna
    February 18, 2019
    The Invisible Guru Forum is not run by Jed Mckenna, the author of this book. He should come forward and correct what has become a farce and discredit to his books. Otherwise, it’s just another bizarre work of fiction with no genuine merit.

    1. Thank you, Mark.

      He (the author) will never correct anything. He called himself the agent of dellusion and was absolutely correct in saying so.

      Think about the full meaning of what he meant by that. One day he will spell it out… a day or a few weeks before he dies.

      Doing so before that – would upset his comfortable life.

      1. I’ve gone back and reevaluated his books and message, and I can only find one word to summarize it which is also in line with the state of the US political, economic, and corporate system: narcissism. IGF represents the perfect silent collaboration between 2 narcs to sustain a joint objective, money and deception; in this case they both compliment each other.
        Why not expose him if his motives are malignant and deceptive? You worked your ass off to get the truth, and found the truth to be more sordid than you bargained for originally. ( I personally have one mantra now- please disillusion me more deeply, more truth please regardless of how much it stinks.) I just finished a post in the nonduality forum on facebook telling them, for the most part, that they were deluded by the same narcissism that rules the planet, and they were using nonduality to reinforce that same narcissistic dynamic.
        So, bust his narcissistic balls…

        1. I wouldn’t call it a silent collaboration, since the two do not know one another. I would call it complicit on Jed’s part. The money keeps exchanging hands due to the IG forum existence. The author remains silent on the matter.

          Unlike yourself, I do not consider the author narcissistic. I consider him deeply indifferent.

          1. Complicit- yes. But far from indifferent in the common sense of the word. It’s as subtle as the fact that people miss the same dynamic at work right before their eyes in the flagrant thievery of capitalism and corporate leadership in the US and the world. I’m not raving on a political position- just an analogy using one of the worst con games in history. Humanity has believed that game for centuries and people even aspire to be rich and in control like the leaders and wealthy corporations (narcissists.) It’s the “American dream” for a reason: be like us; work hard, become one of us and you will be envied by all- rich too.

            If you look at the destructive nature of corporate America really close and track it back into history, it’s narcissistic, self serving, and egotistical by creating delusions in the minds of the masses to believe a lie. The rest is details. If you look close at narcissism, it is indeed indifferent, of course, because extreme narcissists, like psychopaths, can’t be empathetic, can’t consider how destructive their deceptions are even unto death- only how it gratifies themselves. On the surface it looks like indifference until you look closer- if you have the opportunity. (Not all indifference is narcissism.) I’m not over generalizing. And there is a certain genius found in narcissism that can only operate in narcissists minds. (It’s worth some research). That’s why they are so good at it.

            I know it well because my path to truth was through uncovering and resolving narcissistic abuses and unraveling the delusions that they impart to their victims as it applied to my own life experience. It also involved seeing my own narcissism dynamics at play, as it was transferred to me from the abusers. If you have ever had any severe abuse in your life, it involved a narcissistic dynamic and mind fuckery on some level. The mind fuckery is in the difficulty to break out of the denial syndrome (brain washing) that it engenders. The brain washing is as subtle on an individual level as the analogy I used in the first paragraph, but it is also interlaced in the consciousness of human culture. Unraveling it is finding (some) truth. It extends into the guru/teacher, esoteric disciplines just as deeply. You could go so far as to label it as a human mental dysfunction that is part of the false self. Anyway…

            Here’s the kicker: narcissists can spot other narcissists games at work; like “honor among thieves.” Mcmordie diverts the attention away from the identity of Mckenna; Mcmordie makes money on the delusions he perpetuates by exploiting the Mckenna identity; Mckenna and Mcmordie are mutually complicit because neither one could give a damn because they have no conscience for harm caused to others. Get it?

            In general, people are conditioned to believe that enlightenment is worth money so they pay it so that it can be imparted to them through teachings; “I have something you want and I can impart it to you for your devotion,” which serves my narcissism and I make money on you. (I’m not saying every single one is like that, but the dynamic and the business model are subtlety the same.)

            Narcissist’s empathy armor is impenetrable, and so is their sense of accountability. I’m talking about the level of pathological narcissism you see in Mckenna and Mcmordie. It’s the hardest thing in the world for any decent human being to wrap their head around. . I don’t think there is much left to glean from the bible accept little bits and pieces of wisdom, but this narcissism dynamic stands out in the overall narrative. It’s probably equal to or the very reference to “the sin unto death” that Jesus mentions (if he existed.) The one he says not to even pray for. A psycho-spiritual dynamic at work that is unredeemable once it takes hold. That describes pathological narcissism as ‘the incarnation of evil.’ Deception is its hallmark.

            All that being said sort of changes the color of Mckenna’s motives and personality; sheds new light on the phrase “author of delusion.” You mentioned in the other thread that you had a two hour conversation with him and discussed his life. He probably was charming, and by the end of the conversation, either had established an alliance of some kind with you, or he had your devotion in some sense, only you know that. He probably patronized your clever ingenuity, or maybe even offered to help fund you in some way. Your post intuits that you admire him and suggests that maybe even the charm of his books still remains. In reality, you are just as complicit in this situation as Mckenna is with Mcmordie and vice versa. And you are as knowledgeable of the kind of fakery and mindfuckery, and not to mention, economic and emotional fraud and damage to the victims of the IGF as they are. It’s a pretty big story. This is a reality that pulls at the conscience of morality and decency. If your whole story about the true identity of the IGF guru is true and what he is doing to unsuspecting followers through their own denial, you have to take a hard look at yourself. If you feel sorry for him and don’t want to hurt him (or Mckenna), then you are falling into the trap they spin. So what are you going to do about that? The knowledge that you have puts you into a position of added responsibility. Are you going to fall into the trap of saving the full details for your own book and spin your own juicy narrative that in some entertaining way makes the whole thing seem justified? Save the Mckenna identity and saga for good drama? Or are you going to take the part of this that affects your personal journey and the lives of others to the next level? Guess only you can answer that…

          2. Before I give a more substantial response, let’s clarify something here, because the inaccuracues are EXACTLY how myths and legends are born.

            You wrote the following:

            “All that being said sort of changes the color of Mckenna’s motives and personality; sheds new light on the phrase “author of delusion.” You mentioned in the other thread that you had a two hour conversation with him and discussed his life.”

            Can you please point out where I stated that I had a two hour conversation with Jed McKenna?

          3. My apologies. You said a few. I misquoted it as two. I could be sitting with egg on my face. You did not say you spoke with him. Did you? The Search is Over Jed Mckenna Mystery Solved Note: ‘Jed’ is just as wordy in his non-spiritual writings, and not particularly discrete. He does have a sister and a family, and I spent a few fascinating hours getting myself acquainted with his numerous life activities. He never seems to rest.

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  3. “…we all lack knowledge of the unconscious psyche and pursue the cult of consciousness to the exclusion of all else. Our true religion is a monotheism of consciousness, a possession by it, coupled with a fanatical denial of the existence of fragmentary autonomous systems.” (Carl Jung)

    Is ‘He’ (the author) a bit like ‘fragmentary autonomous system’, Jung may be talking about?

  4. My apologies. You said a few. I misquoted it as two.
    I could be sitting with egg on my face. You did not say you spoke with him. Did you?
    The Search is Over Jed Mckenna Mystery Solved
    Note: ‘Jed’ is just as wordy in his non-spiritual writings, and not particularly discrete. He does have a sister and a family, and I spent a few fascinating hours getting myself acquainted with his numerous life activities. He never seems to rest.

    1. I did not, exactly. You are conflating in your mind the information from a few of my articles. One mentioned that I had a two hour conversation with someone concerning Kenneth McMordie.

      See how easy it is for the human brain to choose to see/perceive what it wants to see? Your conflation was a good simple working example of the mental lens that obstructs most people’s vision.
      Now, back to the topic of disclosure, as it is THIS that really bugs you and the reason why you are writing here.

      The truth is this. While I am fairly certain of the name, I do not have the definitive, absolutely irrevocable proof that would settle the matter without any need for further questioning.
      In such circumstance it would be very bad practice to name the names. In the beginning I made a mistake of being convinced that Ken was the author. Six months into the existence of this website it became clear to me that I got it wrong. However, without a solid confirmation I was unable to state definitively either way, which served to confuse and anger people. That was until my aforementioned two hour conversation took place which allowed me to place a disclaimer.

      I have learnt and am not prepared to make the same mistake. Until I am 100% sure and then some, and then some solid evidence.

      As for narcissism.. a good topic, and you are close to the bottom line of Truth there, but it is not as black and white as it seems. I might write about it, but it seems I am progressively loosing interest in the subject of ‘enlightenment’. Any normal mind would, once they see it for what it is.

  5. “He (the author) will never correct anything. He called himself the agent of dellusion and was absolutely correct in saying so.”

    I think it’s reasonable, from that sentence, to conclude that you spoke with him directly. You imply it quite clearly. And the obvious answer to my question, what are you going to do about it? is “nothing.”

    I’m not going to bother trying to debate you. You will win; some people are genius at intellectual illusion in any context.

    Any person with a reasonable level of compassion (and in this case intelligence) would restructure the blog and convert it as a whole or in part into an aggressive campaign to expose the psychopath Mcmordie and expose Mckenna’s complicity. Or at least make it discriminate. The story is too sweeping and sensitive not to take affirmative public action. It’s a moving train, and the dynamic could be perpetuated indefinitely as Mcmordie simply maintains the illusion as old followers fall away and new ones reenter the delusional labyrinth.

    You use the same language the deluded gurus are using to denigrate and captivate the seekers simultaneously; It’s just a different front. But you can’t see it. You’re using it without realizing that it’s the same, self and other, deluding dynamic that was used on you, by whomever, which means you are still a victim of it. You just don’t know it (yet.) (Look back into your past for the answers; the very place the gurus despise.)

    You are as deluded (narcissistic) as Mcmordie in your own way. You do nothing after uncovering a ‘destructive and continuing’ fraud, IGF. That represents a lack of any genuine regard for others as you telegraph the latest developments of his ‘delusion forum’ on your ‘look what I did’ blog.

    You have pin-spotted yourself as another narcissistic, self serving jerk. It has taken a friendly nudge from an anonymous source to tip the scales of my perception just enough for it to click. Although I will give you one credit: You inadvertently helped me fling the IGF and guru like a sticky booger and all but wrap-up my quest for truth within the esoteric traditions. Now it’s back to the real world, of splendid illusion, where truth abounds.. Thanks for nothing!

    The question still remains: what are YOU going to do about this??

    1. “”Although I will give you one credit: You inadvertently helped me fling the IGF and guru like a sticky booger and all but wrap-up my quest for truth within the esoteric traditions. Now it’s back to the real world, of splendid illusion, where truth abounds.. Thanks for nothing!””

      These words of yours should be the answer to your question of what I am doing about all of this. I could have kept quiet about my discoveries of Ken’s identity, past and present deeds. I alerted plenty of people on IG forum. Wisefool Press published their half-assed disclaimer.

      There is not much I can do. Very few people offered any real help, many did exactly the same you are doing now: chose many different names to call myself and this website. I said this would happen. Shattered illusions, dreams of the ‘beautiful ever after’ – taken away. People lash out when that happens.

      No matter. As for the anonymous tip that you received.. some people would love it if this website disappeared, and our enlightenment ‘heroes’ could then continue in their quest of ripping off the gullible. So ask yourself if your anonymous tip is true to facts.
      You are uttererly disappointed, but wound up and burning with it all. Calm down and get fair. Each of us can only do so much.

    2. ” The story is too sweeping and sensitive not to take affirmative public action.”

      No, it is not. It is a very small fry compared to occasional scandals happening in the ‘spiritual’ communities across the globe, usually over sexual/emotional abuse allegations. A conman impersonating an anonymous author on spirituality is no story. Sure, it CAN be spun in ways which would arouse the public, but its appeal is very limited to a small cohort of people.

      I can tell you from my experience that NOTHING will stop those who choose to be blind – from believing. Religious cults are held together by this human propensity. Most people on IG forum read entries on this website. To them Kenneth is Jed McKenna no matter what.

      And thus Jed was right – most people WANT to hold on to illusion in preference to seeking Truth, because Truth hurts.

      This is something you are yet to see. I have seen it directly, from my past two years.

      My best.

  6. You’re a child wearing a TR/guru mask (the ultimate hiding spot), who was afraid to take off the mask and look at the inside of the wounded self for the final truth that would shatter the mask once and for all, allowing a sensitive, caring, and healed human being to spring forth. That’s not a condemnation, an accusation, or an attempt to attack you. It’s just a matter of fact….Somewhere you forgot to look… a mistake anyone could make…But it’s never too late- “your still alive.”

    1. Well, what are YOU going to do to help me expose the fraud further? Any constructive offer of practical help? After all, I have put my money (literally and metaphorically) where my mouth is. And you, aside from the psychological assessment of my overall development and state of being? Anything applicable in physical life from you that could propell your suggestion into reality?

      I am waiting for something constructive and workable from you, given your passion for the subject.

      P.S. I am not a guru in any way. If I convey what I saw through own blood, sweat and tears – it does not constitute a gurudom. I don’t charge and don’t care if anyone listens. But apparently – you do.

  7. I would not call you a guru either; just someone who uses the persona as a mask to conceal and protect their inner self, which in your case is still unhealed. Find the truth behind that first. It hurts just as much, if not more, than all the other hard-won and worked for, discovered truths, but the other side of it is equally transformative. Then you will know what, if anything, to do with the Mcmordie and Mckenna situation and how to further respond to it. I can’t say what I would do or whether to act now, because I’m not as close to it as you are at this point in time and it doesn’t effect me the way it does you. You are in the center of the whole thing.

    1. Mark, nothing hurts except physical pain, and that is said from personal experience.

      So. As you want a full disclosure of McKennas, McMordies etc, I will ask you one more time: do you have anything of PRACTICAL VALUE to add in order to support such an endeavour? Because as far as my word goes I delivered what was promised.

      If you do – I will listen. Do you?

  8. “Mark, nothing hurts except physical pain, and that is said from personal experience.”

    EM, Nothing hurts in emotional dissonance, and that is said from personal experience.
    You keep screaming: I don’t have to go there, but you do, unless you want to keep pretending, your choice. Your total-truth quest ended incomplete; although you would prefer to have your audiences believe the mask that sustains the delusion: gotta have those props and keep the plates spinning. Mckenna/Mcmordie, once your role models, wears the same masks. Mckenna was right about one solid and indisputable path to truth, but he stopped short too. You emulate him in every conceivable way: anonymity, lack of empathy, flagrant arrogance and indifference, good solid, formidable traits.

    There is however, that personal past-path that can’t be excluded because it is the earliest filter of the mind where the foundation of delusion was laid. It doesn’t yield to reason and logic and it doesn’t offer the predictable results of spiritual autolysis; it’s the one fiery passage that can’t be pre-defined, but it must be walked. “Go back the way you came,” Ramana Maharshi.

    “So. As you want a full disclosure of McKennas, McMordies etc, I will ask you one more time: do you have anything of PRACTICAL VALUE to add in order to support such an endeavour? Because as far as my word goes I delivered what was promised.”

    You asked, and I gave you the practical answer. Oh…thank you for all your hard work. I forgot that, my mistake.

    “If you do-I will listen. Do you?”

    Just another diversion; you weren’t listening to my answer the first time. That included my practical answer.
    Your whole blog and Mckenna’s books rests on the foundation that there is a ‘done.’
    There is no ‘done’. But there is a dead, and that IS done, it would seem.
    Your denial is my (anyone’s) liberation, but it doesn’t stop there…
    So, what are you going to do about it??

    If I may use this last paragraph for an opportune comment:
    Mcmordie, I got your untimely nudge on Skype at 4:43AM.
    If this is all true, and I think it is, I would suggest that you count yourself lucky, drop the forum altogether like a hot potato, and practice the remainder of your expatic exile life doing something…else. FYI, if I start to believe that you are trying to intimidate me in any way, I have a current passport and enough intelligence and information from our one skype chat and EM’s hard work to find the IGF guru. If you have something to say to me you’d best do it soon and get right to the point.

    How’s that for ‘practical value’ EM?

    1. So you are a bullying thug threatening others with violence.. big deal.

      HOWEVER. Perhaps, you could consider that this might be one of the reasons why Mr. McKenna keeps himself anonymous – out of harm’s way. You know… from people who make it clear they might go to great lengths to… hmm.. harm?

      Not my modus operandi, and thank you for letting your nefarious intentions known. You really are upset and who knows what has brought this on, but something did.

  9. Mcmordie is a cowardly, powerless psychopath with no remaining resources, who only needs a finger pointing at him to subdue him. You call it a threat. I call it a finger, same thing. If I were to be proactive toward exposing IGF and suppressing a threat from Mcmordie, it would be by intelligent design and far more effective than a visit to Asia or through this disjointed blog, where the self appointed whistle blower/author waves the flag of victory, then throws it on the fire with no intention of doing anything else. The reason I don’t ‘offer’ a genuine practical solution is this:

    You come across like a kid playing a video game, but she (if you are a she) doesn’t realize that the controller is not plugged in. As far as I can tell, this entire blog and the whole story you have told, with the exception of the Mcmordie identity, is fabricated. That includes: you’re presumed female identity, all your facts and claims, especially to the perpetuation of the fictitious, ultimate event called TR and its wisdom, and the identity of Mckenna. All nothing more than a smart 10 year old exercise in fantasy and self indulgence. You will never learn anything useful from anyone that comes here, save a little cash register honesty, and you have fallen well short of the delusional ideal you believe you embody and represent.

    You’re the kind of child who interprets anything and everything, regardless of its merit, as an opportunity to manipulate ideas and minds for the sheer mental exercise because there is nowhere and no one left to play with.

    Mcmordie has reached the same dead-end except he’s turned it into a profit scheme. It goes without saying, and by simple logic, that you were inadvertently groomed through IGF. And like IGF, your blog is a black hole of well camouflaged bullshit, absent the backdoor money scheme (as far as I know.) Makes me wonder what I’m missing in this whole story.

    Your both alone and you’ve both run out of options. But hey, if you can’t face INNER reality and truth where the stakes are the highest, there’s always delusion and plenty of little things to play with.

    I’ll end my last comment on your blog with this piece of urban wisdom which ironically describes both the scope and depth of wisdom and authenticity offered here that is bolstered with the ultimate claim by the author to the ultimate realization of truth: “If the shoe fits where it.”
    LMAO
    “It was nice riding with you”

    1. “If I were to be proactive’. Many words. If you have the resources – by all means, take it further. Why come here and express moral/intellectual superiority if you yourself have done nothing, but a few now deleted threads on IGF? And how do you know I remain passive?

      A threat is a threat, whether with a finger or a hammer. It is the intent that counts, in your case – the intent of someone in much anger and hurt, or that’s how you come across.

      When I started this site I didn’t realise the DEPTH of mental and psychological depravity and malaise that most human beings suffer from. One push-and they all fall apart at the seams.

      No disclosure, Mark. I feel responsible for Mr McMordie, because I derailed his scheme to a large degree. I don’t want to also be responsible for another man’s life. You, those who are interested in this story – are a pretty crazy lot. It is not unreasonable to say that some may lose the plot all together.

      And hey Mark.. this too shall pass, man.

      Cheers.

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