I mentioned a forum fallout in 2014, when my bullshit detector at the forum developments went off for the first time.

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Sri Lanka, Trinco Nilaveli Beach

At that point the IG forum (IGF) had existed for four months, and I was its member, first under the username GromerCop and later Gromer. Before leaving the forum some months later I deleted my two threads and as many posts as I could find.

In the emails below I got the word ‘revolution’ wrong, because I was of the impression that Kenneth (let’s call him his real name) was an iconoclast who aimed for some anarchic change. Knowing what I know now – I wasn’t that far off, except I failed to take into account his age, which wasn’t known to me then. Age changes if not a human’s perspective and internal drive, but certainly their external manifestation.

Here is that exchange:

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Post by: Gromer on December 17, 2014, 02:23:36 pm

Jed, my alarm bells have been going off for a couple of weeks now. That b.s detector.

Here, and even on another Forum – a following is building up. Gees.. people want to build you houses, are raising money to get to Asia, want to buy paintings for your ashram wtf??….. Nothing new, idols are created in someone’s mind every second out there, as we speak. You may say I’m no different. But I killed my ‘idol’ for being a lie (ego), and because I’m no psychic slave to anyone. And while the tattoo is there – I can live free regardless.

I expressed a wish to work with you. But I am watching this gathering momentum, and it’s turning into something uncomfortable IN ESSENCE, even if no one can see it – YET. And I ****ing feel the stink. You may not be creating the stink yourself, but you will be the reason why it spreads. History is full of sad stories of ‘following’, and not of any proven merit, not that I’ve seen so far. You can say a hundred times you want people to learn and leave… it ain’t gonna happen. And then… well, one gets used to being ‘loved’ 24/7? Illusion has potency and subtlety of operation.

Perhaps you need to incorporate some ‘anti Jed’ detox mechanism in your Navs. You are trying to destroy the Dreamstate in the minds of others… and they are replacing it instantly with another dream – of you as a Saviour. And since you’ve been pretty cunning in promoting the Navs here.. well. The Bond is strengthening each day.

Bah! I’d be damned. Presence is, not does. Only Presence has a way of knowing. I (the Mind) don’t.

I will just stay away for a while, not a ‘collective’ worshipper.. Maybe my mInd is dark indeed, or maybe I can see many sides to the coin, not just two.

Would love to be proven wrong. But it had to be said.


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Post by: Jed McKenna on December 17, 2014, 02:54:44 pm

Dear Gromer:

Thank you for sharing. I understand where you are coming from. I have done everything possible to keep the Jed persona out of the picture, I have insulted, cajoled, probed and prodded and repeatedly said you don’t need me, you need to wake up. Like Ramana said, you use a thorn to remove a thorn and then you through both thorns out. If I were to subscribe to anyone’s model it would be his and I hallucinate that I am that thorn. Two things come to mind.

First you are thinking that you know what this is all about and you don’t have a clue. Second, you think you know what other’s require and are thinking about and what they might benefit from. That’s not your business. Oh, and there is a third point, you came to me, I didn’t come to you and I have never said you need me. However, I just may be that thorn that you can discard now. If so, I highly encourage it as I do not want followers, I seek leaders, or potential leaders. One doesn’t change the world by gathering followers. That’s straight out of Maya’s handbook.

While some spiritual leaders hold out that they think the world is perfect as it is, I agree with them, but I hold out that the world will be a little more perfect tomorrow if just a few more people realize Truth.

Ramana, the only person in this world that look up to, said, ‘Our own self-realization is the greatest service we can render the world.’ and to that I add that assisting others in the endeavor, giving the blessings I have received, seems like a good idea. If it be through teaching, ashram or whatever, it’s what I am doing.

If you are sufficiently advanced that you don’t need me then I am satisfied and take pleasure in thinking I may have made some minor contribution to your success. I have no intention of proving you wrong. What would be the point of that? There is no right or wrong, just what is. We do what we do and I wish you the best in your experiences in this human domain.

Love ya, Jed.

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Post by: Gromer on December 17, 2014, 03:12:03 pm

You haven’t made a ‘minor contribution’, you have made a massive contribution, together with my nemesis. For that – I’m grateful, and always will be.

But you underestimate me. I do have a clue. I had a clue about 1.5 months ago. Jed, I don’t read everything literally, I read between the lines, what HAS NOT BEEN SAID. I mentioned this before. I guessed correctly it will be some kind of commune, remember that? Just got the wrong location. And what else I guessed… and don’t get me wrong, it ‘came’ to me, through seeing your hints all over… one word came to mind ‘revolution’. Not talking about the bloody stuff, but what you have in mind is pretty damn big.

Another thing is… you do not see what I see… that all these will ALWAYS fail. No exception. You are fighting the Source.

You are a man still. You will do a man’s thing, driven by Mars and the Mind, no matter how empty it is… not THAT empty. Don’t fool me, and don’t feel defensive please. You need someone to tell you what they see NOT from an infatuated ‘seeker’ mode. Take it contractively and use it to your advantage, not to take a pose and say ‘You don’t need me, free to go’.

I’m curious where it will go. And I’m not your enemy. Just speak what I see.

And yes, you do keep cards close to your chest. Sometimes it can be useful, but sometimes – a handycap.

My regards,


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Post by: Jed McKenna on December 17, 2014, 03:24:09 pm

As they say in Spain, via con Dios, amiga.

love ya, Jed.

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Post by: Jed McKenna on December 17, 2014, 04:04:02 pm

What a bunch of blah, blah. I’ll have to blame it on something, I know, it’s 5 am. here, really and I need a little sleep. The answer is simple you stay or you go, all the rest is stories and either way is quite fine.

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. I promise, no more blah, blah. for at least a week.

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Post by: Gromer on December 17, 2014, 04:06:20 pm


Title: Re: Gromer
Post by: Gromer on December 19, 2014, 01:34:05 am

All stories, Jed, and not worth a squabble over.

Perhaps, I am more of an idealist and a romantic than you. With the Third Eye built in for good measure.

I truly have nothing to ask you or say to you. The question of what one does ‘after’ (coming down the mountain as Justin put it) is pretty meaningless to me now. What? Go live it. Who the hell is gonna tell you how, but yourself?

I haven’t seen your beach though. The Energy will decide, not me.

Thank you, darling. I’ll stay and watch.


Title: Re: Gromer
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2014, 02:33:44 am


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